tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post292096021768227185..comments2023-10-29T09:14:37.832-04:00Comments on Painfully Objective Political Analysis (POPA): Jon Elrod & American Exceptionalism's Decline Under President ObamaChris Wordenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-88521525259912624072009-09-08T10:05:49.543-04:002009-09-08T10:05:49.543-04:00Elrod is the guy that told me our economy is "...Elrod is the guy that told me our economy is "fundamentally sound" as it was getting ready to crash all around us.<br /><br />Stop listening to your party and start looking around you Jon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-37267699441633349492009-09-07T18:18:06.313-04:002009-09-07T18:18:06.313-04:00Obama had to do a lot of fence mending with our fr...Obama had to do a lot of fence mending with our friends...some our allies for almost a century. This becomes meaningless when Elrod implies that he voted for McCain/Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-89569798311370569192009-09-05T19:19:46.149-04:002009-09-05T19:19:46.149-04:00Tune in to Logic 101 wherein Mr. Elrod immediately...Tune in to Logic 101 wherein Mr. Elrod immediately disproves his own argument. Ahem, and I quote, “Moral Relativity and Multiculturalism become abhorrent when critical thought is abandoned.” And quote again, “I did not and will not vote for our president, nor will I support most of his policies.”<br /><br />It is clear that Mr. Elrod has abandoned all critical thought, and thus become abhorrent to himself, when he admits that he will not support (most) of the President’s future policies, nor will he vote for the president. I don’t know who I’m voting for in three and a half years, but Mr. Elrod does. Somebody with an (R) after his name, I bet. <br /><br />Perhaps Mr. Elrod has a crystal ball that thinks critically. Is this American Exceptionalism—completely closed minded and partisan? <br /><br />Hackery and weak sauce, sir.fair and balancednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-48148056616236997422009-09-05T14:50:39.372-04:002009-09-05T14:50:39.372-04:00Thanks to Jon Elrod for guesting. My objection to...Thanks to Jon Elrod for guesting. My objection to his essay is its vagueness. What exactly is it concretely that the Obama administration has done wrong in foreign policy? The closest we get is in paragraph 7, which condemns an "international apology tour." I gather that what Elrod has in mind here is Obama's speech in Egypt, but I'd like to hear the specifics on what he thinks was wrong or misguided about it. <br /><br />OK. So what else is there? Is there something else about Obama's diplomacy that Elrod sees as the abandonment of American exceptionalism? From where I sit, most of Obama's policy so far looks remarkably close to late Bush II's foreign policy: trying to patch up relations with Europe, refocus on Afghanistan, draw down in Iraq, multilateralism towards North Korea. I recall hearing on the radio a conservative commentator aghast at the Obama administration's passive policy towards Honduras. I had two reactions. 1) Honduras? Are you kidding me? THIS is the best you've got? and 2) Given the, shall we say, limited success of American intervention in the last few years, an activist approach to the Honduran question is supposed to be better?Dave Stonehttp://russian-front.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-16416108723004673532009-09-05T13:23:47.364-04:002009-09-05T13:23:47.364-04:00"It is based on the mistaken belief that thos..."It is based on the mistaken belief that those who hate America will change their minds once we admit they have reason to hate America."<br /><br />What utter, dishonest crap. Find someone, let alone the President, who has stated that this is their belief -- not that we should seek to understand those that disagree with us, but specifically the belief that those who *hate* America will stop hating America if we admit they have their reasons. <br /><br />If we figure out what people dislike about America, maybe we can weigh the cost/benefit on whether we should stop doing whatever it is.Doughttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11424730556609713021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-25649978352902869862009-09-05T12:28:40.403-04:002009-09-05T12:28:40.403-04:00American can be a shining beacon of exceptionalism...American can be a shining beacon of exceptionalism only when we couple it with diplomacy. When we use our status for good and not for evil then we truly are exceptional in the world. This is exactly why we aren't exceptional right now thanks to the Bush administration.<br /><br />Bush spent so much time with the "Here's what we're going to do and f@#k the rest of you" attitude that we became the bullies of the world, and no one likes the guy that acts like a prick to everyone else.<br /><br />Before we can get back to our true diplomatic roots (we've had a great history of this, from Ben Franklin schmoozing the French to Nixon visiting China), most recently from the Clinton era, Obama HAS to eat crow for the country and go around the world to apologize for the last 8 years and let them know that era is over and the friendly, caring (while still superior) United States is back.<br /><br />SO yes, Obama is apologizing for our country right now, and it's because he HAS to in order to undo the past and move us into the future.<br /><br />We aren't superior because we say we are and act like we are, we are only superior when we can once again show that we are.Russellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05888390196512180753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-2085002690986750062009-09-05T12:13:33.590-04:002009-09-05T12:13:33.590-04:001. If conservatives truly hate moral relativism an...1. If conservatives truly hate moral relativism and love the rule of law, unilaterally withdrawing the US from the UN Convention Against Torture in order to start torturing suspected terrorists seems a bit disconnected.<br /><br />2. The Bush version of "exceptionalism" involved running around the globe shrieking "you're either with us or against us".<br /><br />3. Invading Iraq under transparently phony circumstances AT WORST deserves an apology. At best, some war crimes trials.<br /><br />4. We sure love freedom and democracy, except when its convenient for the US to prop up dictatorships. Remind me again, just when did Reagan finally decide that South Africa's apartheid system was morally reprehensible? (here's a hint, it wasn't until his second term)Petenoreply@blogger.com