tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post1032408955557406693..comments2023-10-29T09:14:37.832-04:00Comments on Painfully Objective Political Analysis (POPA): IPOPA Demolishes the GOP on RaceChris Wordenhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-11041460671146590002008-10-20T13:19:00.000-04:002008-10-20T13:19:00.000-04:00The GOP has no Black members in Congress (House or...The GOP has no Black members in Congress (House or Senate) and no statewide elected officials in major offices anywhere in the USA (such as Lieutenant Governor like Patterson was).Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-69520830460587898022008-10-19T15:33:00.000-04:002008-10-19T15:33:00.000-04:00Not to split hairs but I don't believe Patterson w...Not to split hairs but I don't believe Patterson was elected Governor of NY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-23559444171578812982008-10-19T14:09:00.000-04:002008-10-19T14:09:00.000-04:00T.C.:Thanks as always for your post.I don't see th...T.C.:<BR/><BR/>Thanks as always for your post.<BR/><BR/>I don't see the following statements as being at all contradictory:<BR/><BR/>Regarding your "past 16 years of Democratic rule" argument, I have the following two thoughts that I don't believe are mutually exclusive:<BR/><BR/>(1) The Democratic Party has done a so-so job appointing minorities to leadership roles in the executive and judicial branches and grooming them as candidates. <BR/><BR/>(2) The Democratic Party has done a much better job than the Republican Party in appointing minorities to leadership roles in the executive and judicial branches and grooming them as candidates.<BR/><BR/>I agree that there's a seemingly counterproductive aspect of "counting" minority appointments because it actually focuses on race, but it was only WHEN we started paying attention to "the count" that the demographics of presidential cabinets changed. <BR/><BR/>Also, I'm realistic that not everybody in my party is above prejudice. I know they aren't. But you can't argue with the overall results, and Democrats do better.<BR/><BR/>Also, Sean, I appreciate your statistical argument (that as a percentage of overall black members, the GOP does as well as <BR/>Dems), BUT that rewards the GOP for "exclusive" behavior. By your method, the FEWER black Republicans the GOP recruits, the less the GOP has to give them to be proportionately successful.<BR/><BR/>Finally, yes, the GOP has put up Marvin Scott (a black man) and Eric Dickerson (a black man) for Congress. But where did they do it? In a race WITH a sitting black candidate. When the GOP runs a black candidate in any of their GOP strongholds, then you'll know they're serious about inclusion.Chris Wordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-53925706645677886602008-10-19T10:31:00.000-04:002008-10-19T10:31:00.000-04:00Wasn't Judge Hill a Democrat until he got mad beca...Wasn't Judge Hill a Democrat until he got mad because the Dems wouldn't slate him? Then, the Republicans, needing a token on the ballot, found room for him. <BR/><BR/>And we wonder why most of the judges in this county aren't worth a damn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-11510801220805261412008-10-19T02:04:00.000-04:002008-10-19T02:04:00.000-04:00Sean...re: the dictonary frequently lists words th...Sean...re: the dictonary frequently lists words that are dialect or used by those with little or no education...please the word is complexioned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-61555392686752817192008-10-19T00:17:00.000-04:002008-10-19T00:17:00.000-04:00wilson46201 if you do not see blacks in a crowd th...wilson46201 if you do not see blacks in a crowd that means the republicans are racists. Did they exclude black people, if your observation is correc? That would be racism. IPOPA to be objective you might want to mention that democrats have controlled the Governor's office for 16 of the last 19 years and what percentage of the dem's appointments were black, hispanic, asian, women? When are we going to quit counting people by race, religion, sex etc. If you truly believe the people who put the people in charge in the Democrat party are above prejudice you are kidding yourself. The big wigs in the democrat party didn't support Obama until the handwriting was on the wall. I remember couragous John Edwards only coming out after Obama had it locked just like Gore, and the others. In fact I don't think Biden did if ever until he was named VP nominee. The rank and file who the elite democrats make fun of are the bankbone of your party.Mann Law, P.C.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10803791946039037861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-9765762986500659582008-10-18T22:07:00.000-04:002008-10-18T22:07:00.000-04:00In 2000, the GOP ran Marvin Scott, a Black Republi...In 2000, the GOP ran Marvin Scott, a Black Republican, against Julia but to no avail. With a "new" district in 2002, the GOP ran a very "big bucks" campaign against Julia with Brose McVey. It didnt work.<BR/><BR/>Dickerson was poorly organized: he thought he could knock out Julia with only $200K but he could only raise $57K. McVey raised $1.2M and got the same results.<BR/><BR/>By the way, the "Blackest" city council district is represented by Jackie Nytes, a very white woman.Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-30661503859104022942008-10-18T20:28:00.000-04:002008-10-18T20:28:00.000-04:00Well, obviously I can't speak for the local Republ...Well, obviously I can't speak for the local Republican party leadership since I'm not part of their club but, it does occur to me Wilson that a much higher percentage of Republicans in the Democrat controlled Congress during the 60s voted for the Civil Rights Act than Democrats.<BR/><BR/>It was always my understanding that the Democrats got credit for it just because LBJ was in office and signed it when it came to his desk?<BR/><BR/>I disagree with your sacrificial lamb thought regarding the black candidates the Republicans have put up I always perceived that to be an attempt to draw black voters in, not sacrifice somebody. <BR/><BR/>After Brose couldn't do it with $1.2 million and Eric Dickerson being black didn't make more than a few points difference they probably have given up at this point.<BR/><BR/>What about guys like Ike Randolph, or deputy mayors Williams or Wilson?<BR/><BR/>I don't mean to come across like a Republican apologist but I just never have seen the intentional racial bias that gets levied against them. <BR/><BR/>I did observe Aaron Haith absolutely, in my opinion, railing against a Hispanic woman at a Concerned Clergy meeting one morning though. <BR/><BR/>By the way. I think Julia would have voted AGAINST the bail out. I was disappointed in Andre when he voted for the 2nd version.Sean Shepardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784017076656340302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-46682357713535045522008-10-18T19:35:00.000-04:002008-10-18T19:35:00.000-04:00Answer to Sean Shepaerd: Dr.MLK was a Republican c...Answer to Sean Shepaerd: Dr.MLK was a Republican coz Lincoln freed the slaves. Until FDR, African-Americans generally were Republican when they could vote. It was the success of the civil rights movement of the 50s and 60s supported by the Democrats that finally flipped Blacks into voting almost solidly for Democrats ever since. All the African-Americans in Congress and the Indiana Legislature are Democrats nowadays. ALL.<BR/><BR/>About Black Republicans running for Congress locally: frankly, if the seat were winnable, the GOP would likely run a white candidate. Marvin Scott, Eric Dickerson, Ron Franklin didnt stand a chance against Julia -- that's why they were allowed to run as sacrificial lambs. Black Republicans are permitted to run for offices in which they'll likely lose. With UniGov, the local GOP controlled all County elective offices for 30 years but never once ran a Black for Recorder, Auditor, etc. It took Democrats for the first time ever to elect African-Americans to Marion County Sheriff, Auditor, Treasurer, etc.Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-59548430868774409942008-10-18T19:29:00.000-04:002008-10-18T19:29:00.000-04:00Again, looking at the distribution. Relative to th...Again, looking at the distribution. Relative to the percentages represented by party membership, how did bush do?<BR/><BR/>Ie: If 10% of the Democrat party are "darker complexioned" and 2% of the Republican party but the appointments, placements and hirings were 10% / 3% than Bush would have had to dig deeper in the party and work harder to make that happen.<BR/><BR/>I don't know the stats though. Didn't the Republicans try to add a black Senator here in Indy back in 2004? And I know for a fact there was a concerted, organized party effort to get a black candidate for Congress in 2006 (they ended up with two, one slated the other won the primary).Sean Shepardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784017076656340302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-30051818763224758232008-10-18T18:46:00.000-04:002008-10-18T18:46:00.000-04:00Anon 1:24:Regarding your cabinet comparison... Fi...Anon 1:24:<BR/><BR/>Regarding your cabinet comparison... <BR/><BR/>First, giving all benefit of the doubt to President Bush, if he has a legitimate personal commitment to diversity, he has not done much to make it permeate his party. <BR/><BR/>Second, the cynic in my directs you to today's Chicago Tribune, http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/college/ny-rnc-usdive3008,0,3071098.story.<BR/><BR/>This story shows that Bush did not do as well as Clinton in appointments UNDERNEATH the cabinet level appointments which require Senate confirmation. <BR/><BR/>This, in turn, leads me to two other arguably cynical but also defensible contentions. <BR/><BR/>The first is that Bush's commitment to diversity might be driven by the desire for public credit, which one gets mostly from visible (i.e., cabinet level) appointments. When Bush had opportunities to appoint minorities to positions that don't allow him to put them in front of cameras and talk about how diverse he is, he didn't do so as much. <BR/><BR/>One would think a genuine commitment to diversity would "trickle down." <BR/><BR/>This leads to my second "cynical thought." Bill Clinton set the bar for minority appointments by completely dwarfing all of his predecessors. That sets a psychological "bar" that any future president would likely want to meet just to equal public expectations. By doing what he did, Clinton put Bush in the position of at LEAST equaling him in cabinet appointments.<BR/><BR/>Likewise, I also wonder if the Democrats in the U.S. Senate influenced Bush's appointments. I promise you that had Bush tried to confirm an all-white cabinet, all of his later appointments would have been unconfirmed. In the area that Democrats have no influence on (no confirmation appointments) Bush does less well as Clinton. Correlation? Causation? Without getting into George Bush's head and heart, we'll never know.<BR/><BR/>Just food for thought.Chris Wordenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00558836541249077077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-57170336069136898172008-10-18T17:49:00.000-04:002008-10-18T17:49:00.000-04:00Actually, according to Dictionary.com it does exis...Actually, according to Dictionary.com it does exist as an informal adjective, sometimes criticized for being dialectic.<BR/><BR/>http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/complected<BR/><BR/><BR/>In thinking about the subject of the original post though. We have a serious problem in that many people feel they can't have a conversation about race and culture without every word they say being reviewed for any opportunity for someone else to scream racist at them.<BR/><BR/>Anyone able to speak to why MLK was a Republican?Sean Shepardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784017076656340302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-7965311967571824792008-10-18T14:47:00.000-04:002008-10-18T14:47:00.000-04:00"complected" -- it's a Hoosier thing: you wouldn't..."complected" -- it's a Hoosier thing: you wouldn't understand!Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-81239678123382060242008-10-18T14:00:00.000-04:002008-10-18T14:00:00.000-04:00Sean...the word complected does not exist...perhap...Sean...the word complected does not exist...perhaps you meant complexioned!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-59502865041552275922008-10-18T13:24:00.000-04:002008-10-18T13:24:00.000-04:00wilson46201 - I was at the event, and there were A...wilson46201 - I was at the event, and there were African-Americans there. I don't know how many, but 'nary a single' is just not true.<BR/>ipopa - take a percentage of cabinet level appointments in the Clinton vs. Bush administrations, and you will see that the Republican president's percentage is higher. Finally, Democrat policies that are supposed to 'take care' of minority groups do nothing but keep them exactly where they are instead of raising standards of living. In the end, government cannot make people raise themselves up. Family, friends, faith, and community are the source for inspiration.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-91113788726463917522008-10-18T13:04:00.000-04:002008-10-18T13:04:00.000-04:00Wilson. All those observations prove is that there...Wilson. All those observations prove is that there aren't enough dark complected Americans interested in the Republican party but that, regardless of social or political bias, everyone is interested in seeing cancer vanquished.Sean Shepardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04784017076656340302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3126825064641092276.post-86675827700622016592008-10-18T12:33:00.000-04:002008-10-18T12:33:00.000-04:00Two recent major public events proved to me the pr...Two recent major public events proved to me the profound racism of the Indiana Republican Party.<BR/><BR/>1. I watched the Palin Rally on streaming video - the TV cameras scanned the crowd: there was nary a single Bleck in that crowd. It was lily white. Not an African-American in sight. Disgusting!<BR/><BR/>2. This morning I was caught downtown trying to transfer busses by the Cancer Walk. Thousands of Hoosiers walking for a good cause surrounded me: it was a thoroughly diverse crowd. Black and white together. Just like Indianapolis.<BR/><BR/>The horribly stark contrast showed that there's something within the GOP that actively excludes African-Americans. There might as well have been giant signs in Noblesville saying "NO COLOREDS ALLOWED!"Wilson46201https://www.blogger.com/profile/14214029150233485312noreply@blogger.com